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I meant, to undiny and others complaining about how much "peaceful" towns are able to make bank from having mob grinders.
Regardless I dont agree with increases to upkeep, I think it's perfectly affordable for new players to start new towns as Earth is now. I certainly dont see any reason to really limit peaceful towns in anyway because honestly sieges have little impacts once you toggle peaceful on.
Btw I was a new player back in November 2022. This is my first map here on Manacube.
Regardless I dont agree with increases to upkeep, I think it's perfectly affordable for new players to start new towns as Earth is now. I certainly dont see any reason to really limit peaceful towns in anyway because honestly sieges have little impacts once you toggle peaceful on.
Btw I was a new player back in November 2022. This is my first map here on Manacube.
Unless/until they fix(ed) the weird siege zone that can toggle PvP in peaceful towns anyway, peaceful towns still can be affected by sieges.
As for the mob grinders part, though I don't like spawner economies, as I believe that they take away from the "grindy" aspect of games, they're in the game, and it's fair that people can become totally loaded by afking their grinders.
Val, I understand what you're concerned about, but:
AGAIN, new players are recommended to join an existing town. New players could join the ultra-rich towns, learn how to make money, make a decent bit of money in their existing town, then make their own town. Assuming you play like an hour or two a day, this process would take a few days to a week, not bad. Once you learn the ways to make money (spawners) and obtain some of your own, you can afk that grinder or get someone to afk it for you. I know that some players offer to afk their alts at your farms in exchange for money/commission on your farm. As for your point about paying loads of money to make a nation, nations DO NOT HAVE UPKEEP, nor do I believe that upkeep should be added to NATIONS. You saying you need incentives for people to stay in your nation doesn't really make sense, to my knowledge, very few nations pay you to be in their nation to even begin with. You saying that sieging will give me all your money is wrong because siege warchests are TINY. You saying my own town will fall into ruins also is dumb considering that my town leaders' farm makes more than what upkeep would be, and yeah, maybe my upfront proposals were a little high, so they could be reduced, but still upkeep should be increased IMO. Grinding out upkeep doesn't require you to play 18-24 hours a day, because you can get someone to afk for you if you cannot get console client.
Also, you are not listening to my points, you are not acknowledging the fact that I have repeatedly said that crowding could very quickly become a problem if upkeep remains low and people start quitting because the server has already gotten a little stale, it'll only be getting worse, thus resulting in crowding and inactive towns that log on every once in a while just so their town doesn't get deleted. As for you saying no big towns or nations, guess what? People have already made gigagrinders that can make loads more than what my upkeep proposal is. (reduced as I will admit my upfront idea of 7.5x multiplier for Metropolis is a bit outrageous)
As for the mob grinders part, though I don't like spawner economies, as I believe that they take away from the "grindy" aspect of games, they're in the game, and it's fair that people can become totally loaded by afking their grinders.
Val, I understand what you're concerned about, but:
AGAIN, new players are recommended to join an existing town. New players could join the ultra-rich towns, learn how to make money, make a decent bit of money in their existing town, then make their own town. Assuming you play like an hour or two a day, this process would take a few days to a week, not bad. Once you learn the ways to make money (spawners) and obtain some of your own, you can afk that grinder or get someone to afk it for you. I know that some players offer to afk their alts at your farms in exchange for money/commission on your farm. As for your point about paying loads of money to make a nation, nations DO NOT HAVE UPKEEP, nor do I believe that upkeep should be added to NATIONS. You saying you need incentives for people to stay in your nation doesn't really make sense, to my knowledge, very few nations pay you to be in their nation to even begin with. You saying that sieging will give me all your money is wrong because siege warchests are TINY. You saying my own town will fall into ruins also is dumb considering that my town leaders' farm makes more than what upkeep would be, and yeah, maybe my upfront proposals were a little high, so they could be reduced, but still upkeep should be increased IMO. Grinding out upkeep doesn't require you to play 18-24 hours a day, because you can get someone to afk for you if you cannot get console client.
Also, you are not listening to my points, you are not acknowledging the fact that I have repeatedly said that crowding could very quickly become a problem if upkeep remains low and people start quitting because the server has already gotten a little stale, it'll only be getting worse, thus resulting in crowding and inactive towns that log on every once in a while just so their town doesn't get deleted. As for you saying no big towns or nations, guess what? People have already made gigagrinders that can make loads more than what my upkeep proposal is. (reduced as I will admit my upfront idea of 7.5x multiplier for Metropolis is a bit outrageous)
